RE: Question about H. Pylori Bacterial Infection

2007-04-30 22:31:35

Hi All,
I have a question that's for everyone. Since so many of us have some of the
same conditions with Pancreatitis, I was wondering how many have or have had
the H. Pylori bacterial infection in their stomach. Mine was found quite by
accident with the Endoscope biopsy. My doctor said he was surprised the
biopsy was positive for H. Pylori....what's new? My doctor also said my
stomach showed no ulcers but the whole stomach was inflamed. After taking
the treatment (medication) for H. Pylori for two weeks, my stomach (burning)
did improve but it didn't last and I wouldn't be surprised if it's not back.
Now, whether it has any bearing on Pancreatitis, I really don't know but I'm
still not sure. H. Pylori can also be tested through blood without an
Endoscope. Unfortunately, my doctor had never tested me for it through blood
because he didn't t-h-i-n-k I had it.
Karen, were you ever tested for it since you, too, have inflammation in your
stomach? My daughter is having a lot of the same symptoms I have and she was
tested for it yesterday and it was positive. I just hope and pray that's all
it is and with the treatment, she won't have any more problems although she
is having some symptoms of Pancreatitis. If she doesn't get better soon, I'm
going to insist they check her gallbladder and pancreas. Maybe it's her
gallbladder instead of her pancreas....I hope! If I sound like a frightened
mother....I am. Hopefully, it's just the H. Pylori infection in her
stomach. I'll let you know.
You are all in my thoughts and prayers.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: Surviving

2007-04-30 19:59:49

Hi, Alicia. Welcome.
Some others have related their problems with attempting to get
disability. Perhaps you can relate yours. Did you file any kind of
appeal? If the prospects for relieving people financially are not
there when they should be, perhaps this is a case requiring a class-
action suit, or some such action. Any lawyers on board?
I may be fortunate enough to have pancreatitis-lite, but I know that
the future is not yet written for me and my innards. I want to pave
the way for suffering as little as possible, and I have tasted
poverty. That should not be the end of people who are ill. Not right.
Perhaps we can learn together what we may do.
Mike Lockridge

RE: Worried about Shirley

2007-04-30 17:42:39

Shirley, where are you? Hope you are doing well but can't help but worry
because you haven't been posting. I miss you, Shirley....please let us know
how you are doing.
Elizabeth, are you okay?
Love,
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Hello

2007-04-30 08:33:51

In a message dated 1/24/01 12:11:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
briffle@... writes:

I have been reading posts and I am sorry but I have not been feeling well,
so I have been neglecting you guys! Forgive me!

Hi Becky,
I'm sorry you haven't been feeling well and unable to post. I have been
wondering about you...are you feeling any better now? I'm glad you're back
with us and please let us know how you are. I'll keep you in my prayers.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Digest Number 673 Welcome Alicia...: )

2007-04-30 04:38:45

I just wanted to introduce my self my name is Peg you have probably seen some
of my posts concerning my son Brandan, who is 14 and also has been diagnosed
with Ideopathic CP. My heart goes out to you like so many others here, but we
are all here to help one another and support each other especially since alot
of people dont seem to understand. I have found it is nice to know one is
not alone, and that I have only found through this group. You said you have
had this pain all your life? My son says the same thing, but it has always
been attributed to other things. But now we know that it was CP all along.
Have they found any abnormalties in your pancreas? I am keeping you and
yours along with everyone else here in my thoughts and prayers...Keep
smiling..TTFN...Peg...: )
I also wanted to add I am praying Rich and Henry that you are doing alright
and I hope to see you back posting soon. If there is anyone I missed, please
know that your all in my thoughts and prayers also.

Re: [pancreatitis] to Carole

2007-04-29 21:31:19

Carole, that is really a terrible mistake. I had my CT in a hospital and my
U/S in a dr's office. Did you have prior Cat scans too. I had an abdominal
Cat scan w/contrast which was clear. I also had a small bowel series xray
which showed kidney stones but the U/S was more helpful in revealing the
stone size. So now I need to address the kidney stones which are too big to
pass and also find out from the GI doctor what next test is needed for my
pancreas. He does not want to do an ERCP now, I will ask about the EUS or
MRI. I have heard of a pancreatic function test where they measure enzyme
output via endoscope after stimulating with food extracts...sounds
cumbersome. Have you heard of that test.
good luck and prayers to you. .
tom

Re: [pancreatitis] Surviving

2007-04-29 08:19:24

Dear Alicia,

First, Welcome to our group! I am sorry we have met under the curcumstances, but I am glasd you found us. Where do you live? I am in northern Indiana. We have members all over!
I am sure you wil get other welcomes tomorrow, but wanted to send you one while I was still up!

Take Care, Becky

Surviving

2007-04-29 07:37:23

Hello, My name is Alicia. I am a 24/f, I was diagnosed with acute
pancreatitis in 1995 when I was 18. I had always had the pain, but
pancreatitis was not discovered until I was 18. At 22 I was
diagnosed with Chronic Idiopathic Pancreatitis.
The Docs I had been to since diagnosis had no idea what Chronic
Pancreaitis was. They had been associated with Acute, but not
Chronic. One of my Docs actually told me "Well hopefully you will
get better". Just recently in the last 5 months I actually found a
Doc that knows about Chronic Pancreatitis and treats mostly CP
patients in his practice.
I have read some of the other posts and realize I am not alone. I
have been looking for a support group in my area, but have not been
successfull.
I, like so many of the others, have not been able to work in quite
sometime. I had my gallbaldder removed in '98 for gallstones and was
assured it would "cure" my condition. Of course this did not happen,
it became much worse. After my gallbladder removal, my pain became
worse and the time in between my "flare-ups" was shortened. I have
been hospitalized so many times I have no veins left and was having
to have so many Central Lines and Jugulars done that it was almost
impossible to find any entry without problems. I was recommended to
have a "port-o-cath" put in and was truly excited about it, what I
did not know was the truly harsh side effects. I knew some of them,
but apparently was ready to toss them aside for some relief. Several
weeks after the port was placed I was hospitalized for another flare-
up, the techs. and others who tried to access it did not do a very
good job. It had been accessed before so I knew it worked, but they
could not get it to. It was accessed so many times within a 2 hour
period that staff infection was introduced into the site. Needless
to say it was a horrific ordeal. I was hospitalized for a month.
I have a 2 year old son who gets mad at me everytime I come home
from the hospital because I have been away so long that he does not
speak to me for at least a day if not 2. Not to mention I have been
denied by disability. There are so many people who have applied for
pancreatitis, I do not understand why they dont just add it to their
list of dibilitating illnesses.
I am sorry this is so long, but there is more to my story. I am
quite sure almost everyone can relate to my life. Thank you for
reading and hope to hear from you.
Sincerely, Alicia

Re: [pancreatitis] Digest Number 671...Tull..: )

2007-04-29 05:00:38

Hey there...Again I am writing to thank you for your information on the dry
mouth products, which is of great interest to me. But mostly want to thank
you about the information pertaining to the sandostatin. I have heard people
talking about it and wasnt sure what it was until your post. I am seeing
Brandans specialist again the end of the week and it seems thanks to postings
I have a whole notebook of questions along with my usual ones to ask about.
This sounds like an option that might be yet another route for us to explore
which is always a good thing I think. I will ask the doctor when I see him
if he has heard of this and what his feelings are on it. I am also taking
down the names of these doctors to see if he might be familiar with any of
them. Cant hurt I say, Again much thanx...: )
Keeping you all in my thoughts and prayers...Keep smiling...TTFN...Peg..: )

RE: Correction on Post

2007-04-28 15:48:41

Hi All,
I responded to a message from Teresa but I addressed it to Lisa....Don't ask
me why....I'll have to make some excuse! Sorry but sometimes I'm not
responsible for what I do and I don't know who is! :) Hope everyone is
having a nice evening.
Hugs & Prayers to ALL
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] back to christine

2007-04-28 12:51:27

In a message dated 1/23/01 5:43:47 PM Central Standard Time,
sunflower6668@... writes:

I hope this
finds you much improved. Honestly, a few years ago we had a kid in
school named Arkie. Real name. Honest Injun!
Christine

hay christine - i always have to tell the true story of the boy we had in
school named "forrest farr." he was always getting called to the office and
we would all crack up. i think he enjoyed it. i am some better this evening.
i've eaten yogurt and some soup. i am going to make sure and take the ambien
tonight so that i will sleep! i hope you are doing great this evening.
debbie (ark)

sandostatin to Carole

2007-04-28 10:55:09

In a message dated 1/23/01 6:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sunflower6668@... writes:

I will holler when we are online together. Take care of you too.
What is the status of the decision on the monster cyst?

Hi Christine,
I hear your frustration, feel your pain and I'm so sorry. I wish I could
help you in some way even if I could give you some advice about what to do
but I feel the same way you do so it would be very hard for me to be
objective in your case. You will have to do something eventually and so will
I but I'm holding out as long as I can. Unlike you, I do have times without
the pain and I'm not on TPN and I can eat lowfat foods in between attacks.
Isn't there any other option for you on resolving your problem with your
Pancreas?
Christine, I love your humor in your posts even though I know you are in pain
both physically and emotional with all that is going on with you right now.
Your humor makes me smile but at the same time, I feel very sad that you are
having such a tough time right now. Remember, I'm always here for
you....just a click away!!! :) You are always in my prayers.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Lisa

2007-04-28 03:38:20

Hello Lisa,
Your story makes me cry. I am so sorry you are in such agony every
day with this disease. I know you must mourn your independence and
hate having to rely on people all the time. I am glad your grandma
is there for you and wish I had an answer for how to deal with the
negative parts of the situation.
Where do you live? I would be there in a heartbeat if I could. I
cannot even relate to your story, I am still fortunate enough to be
working. I wish I had the right words to say to you. But anything I
say would just be platitudes.
So, suffice it to say that I am glad you are back. You will be on my
prayer list and we are here for you.
Christine

Re: I'm new and frustrated!

2007-04-27 19:27:04

Hi New Karen,
I am glad you are here! I hope you find a lot of answers as well as
support here.
Thanks for the info on the sandostatin. I will put it very warily on
the consideration list. I do not have to make a decision for a few
weeks, so we will see.
I am not to the disability thing yet, so I am sorry, I cannot help
you there. I hope you get a lot of helpful information. Yeah, it's
hard to believe that pancreatitis is not on the disability list. But
it is right up there on the list of we won't insure this person!
Take care,
Christine

Re: [pancreatitis] correction - back to carole

2007-04-27 09:07:12

In a message dated 1/23/01 10:26:10 AM Central Standard Time,
CJWatts88@... writes:

The strange thing is I talk to you and Linda online more than I
do my sisters!!! :)

i put 'sandy on the subject and meant to put carole - on my reply. sorry to
you both!
debbie

Theresa

2007-04-27 07:05:50

Hi there!
You are never snooping. If we needed to have a private conversation
we could email privately. And we all learn from each other! So, I
am glad you are here. Stay well however :-)
Be well,
Christine

Mona,

2007-04-27 01:47:19

Dear Mona,
It is always something, isn't it? I will keep you in my prayers for
a calm mind while waiting for all these test results. I hope you
find out soon and don't have to wait endlessly. Take care of
yourself.
Christine

Re: [pancreatitis] sandy

2007-04-26 19:36:48

In a message dated 1/23/01 10:26:10 AM Central Standard Time,
CJWatts88@... writes:

The strange thing is I talk to you and Linda online more than I
do my sisters!!! :)

me too!!!! one of mine lives about 5 minutes away and i can't even get her
to answer an email! oh, well. i am feeling better - but still not great.
yesterday almost got into an argument with my pharmacist about my pain meds.
he was gripping at me about the instructions etc; and 'how many of these do
you take?" etc; etc; and i said "look -i don't write the prescriptions and i
don't take the bottle home and down it all at one time either - -" he said
he'd call my doctor and i said "PLEASE DO" and left. they were supposed to
call me when the script was in and they had it ready and they never did. i
had to call today to see if it was ready and then my mom went by and picked
it up. i told her i was probably going to start moving all my scripts to
another pharmacy. the old guy there is so grouchy and there were other
customers there - - made me really mad. anyway - tomorrow will be better!!!
thanks for thinking about me.
debbie (ark)

Debbie (arkie)

2007-04-26 11:51:47

Hi Arkie Deb,
I am sorry to hear you have been under the weather. I hope this
finds you much improved. Honestly, a few years ago we had a kid in
school named Arkie. Real name. Honest Injun!
Christine

Re: Henry? Are you ok?

2007-04-26 00:11:19

DITTO, ditto, ditto. Hennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy, where
are you? We need you!
Christine

Re: sandostatin Linda

2007-04-25 20:17:17

Dear Linda,
No need to apologize girl! I mean, we all learn from each other,
right? Okay, on to sandostatin..do you still take it? Are you a
diabetic from it? What are some of the side effects? I have been
doing some research and the darn stuff scares me to death. Oh well,
better than another ercp. I told the nurse that it will be a LONG
time before I schedule another one of those bad boys!
Thanks in advance for the info.
Christine

Re: sandostatin to Carole

2007-04-25 14:02:01

Hi Carole,
Sandostatin is supposed to shut down the pancreas. From what I have
read so far on the internet, I am not going to do it. No way. The
side effects are worse than the meds, and I worry about diabetes. I
mean, would it be temporary? Would they give you insulin and hope
the pancreas kicks back in after the round of meds is over? How long
would I be on it? No, I'm thinking not.
My last ercp was October 16. That is when they found the corkscrew
in the duct and could barely get the stent in. The one in August
found the Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction.
Yeah, it does seem as if the pancreas settles down only as long as I
don't eat at all. The minute I put anything at all in the digestive
system, i get all fired up again.
They won't let me miss my appt on Thursday. They say with everything
(!!!-if they hadn't messed with the tpn, there would be NOTHING new
going on) going on, I must see the doc. I mean, it's not like she
will tell me anything new. So, we will see what transpires. My
visiting nurse called today and told me that they are going to change
my labs and check a lot of other things, wonder what's up with that?
I mean, communication is not one of their strong points!
I will holler when we are online together. Take care of you too.
What is the status of the decision on the monster cyst?
Love,
Christine

Re: [pancreatitis]to (new ) Karen

2007-04-25 08:13:58

Karen,
What is an EUG ?
I have not heard of that test.
thank you, tom

Re: to Dawn

2007-04-25 06:49:03

Thanks for the book :-) I appreciate your input. I talked to IU
finally! the other day. She (nurse practitioner) wants me to wait
three or four weeks and call her back. I am thinking no on the
sandostatin and no on the ercp. I just want U of M to pull this PIcC
line and LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
anyway, once I get away from the PICC line, I will transfer all to
IU. I don't care about the distance. I have a supportive family doc
and I will just rely on her and the telephone. so we will see what
the next few weeks brings.
I am glad you get to be home with your kids. That is so rare these
days! And so important. Oops, I am beeping. Must hook up my tpn.
Take care Dawn and thanks again. You helped a lot!
Be well,
Christine

I'm new and frustrated!

2007-04-25 01:25:39

Hello everyone! I've finally figured out how to post a message,
although I've been communicating with several of you on a one-to-one
basis. I was receiving several posting's via email and could respond
to people individually. This group is fantastic! Although I hate
the fact that others are suffering from this dreaded disease, it
helps to know there are people who UNDERSTAND what you're going
thru. God Bless all of you!
I'm a 35 year old, excuse me, 36 later this week, female with a 1 1/2
year history of idiopathic C.P. I had to go on short term disability
through work a little over a year ago, and they couldn't hold my
position open any longer once it went to long term disability. So
this one year sabbitical that I would've loved having to finish
writing the book I've been working on for the past couple of years,
has been spent like many of yours.... in bed, on the couch, in the
bathroom... anything but what we'd rather be doing!
I'm not sure who, but someone recently asked about Sandostantin.
I've been taking Sandostantin injections 3x/day for the past year and
I swear by that even more than all the pain meds I'm on. I can
always tell when it's been 6-7 hours and almost time for my next
shot!! I've had 8 ERCP's, 2 stent placements (my body rejected and
went into sever attacks!), several sphincterotomies, CT scans, EUG
(which really demonstrated a damaged pancreas). I feel fortunate
that the first GI Dr. I had listened and wasn't threatened when I
would suggest different treatments that I had investigated on the
internet. As a matter of fact, he welcomed the input. He also put
up with me being aggressive in seeking diagnosis/treatment. He also
supported me when I wanted to seek another opinion when Dr. Lehman of
IU was recommended to me. Dr. Lehman is one of the top physicians in
the world when it comes to specializing in the pancreas. (I worked
in the medical field and was privy to a lot of information). I am
still under the care of Dr. Lehman. As I started to say, I feel very
fortunate that I recieved a diagnosis relatively fast as compared to
some of you. Seems some of you have had a long, hard road, even for
many years before knowing what was wrong. I think that can be even
MORE discouraging than the illness itself.
I have a question for any who'd like to answer, is there anyone out
there on Social Security Disabilty? I was required to apply for it
by my current disabilty carrier. I received that fun letter today
that says "WE have determined that you're illness is not severe
enough..... and that you should be able to work.......", yeah,
right! That's so frustrating when you can't even maintain your
household and care for your kids adequately, let alone hold down a
job! The exam I had to go to was a total joke! That Dr. didn't seem
to know what pancreatitis was, and kept talking about other symptoms
and forgetting what I told him. Quack! Has anyone else experienced
this? Has anyone ever qualified?
Thanks for letting me vent! I look forward to becoming part of the
group! You are all great! Talk to you soon!
Hugs,
Karen A. (yes, another Karen!), from Indiana

Sandostatin/Familial pancreatitis

2007-04-24 21:35:03

Hi all,
Combining responses to a couple of recent posts. First, regarding
the
drug sandostatin. Karyn has never tried this treatment, though she
has considered it on a few occasions. I think the way it is supposed
to work is that it basically "shuts the pancreas down" so that it
stops producing its digestive enzymes (amylase, lipase, etc)
altogether. Insulin/glucagon production may not be affected, though
I'm not certain of that. They do say that if you are on a diabetic
taking insulin, you may actually wind up needing LESS insulin while
on
sandostatin, so either insulin production is stimulated, or your body
absorbs less carbohydrates, and thus NEEDS less insulin. Of course,
you need to take those missing enzymes orally (Creon, Viokase, etc).
Some patients report more problems with absorption (e.g. diarrehea)
until they figure out the right kind/dose of enzyme supplements.
Someone (TOri?) recently asked about familial links to pancreatitis
(hereditary factors). You may already be aware of the research going
on at the University of Iowa, but just in case, I'm including the
text
of an article about it I came across recently. It also mentions the
success of using sandostatin in the case of a young child stricken
with this condition.
Peg, had anyone ever suggested Brandon try sandostantin? Just
curious.
Cheers,
--Tull
*********************************************************************
Aggressive therapy benefits patients with pancreatitis
To Lynn Kartel and many of her relatives, familial pancreatitis
resembles an unwelcome guest who just won't leave.
Kartel's 3-year-old son, Jesse, has the disease, as does her father,
nephew, brother, and a niece. Lynn's oldest brother, who died from
complications of diabetes in 1988, had the disease as well.
"Yeah, it seems to go way back in the family," says Kartel, whose own
first pancreatitis attack occurred at age 11. "A lot of people in our
family died of various pancreas-related diseases over the years, but
it was never identified as 'pancreatitis' because nobody knew what it
was until more recently."
Lynn and Jesse both receive general health care from William Vaughn,
MD, a general practitioner in New London, Iowa who referred them to
the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics.
UIHC Hepatologist Frederick C. Johlin, MD, Associate Professor in the
Department of Internal Medicine, describes pancreatitis as a
devastating disease associated with high mortality among patients who
do not receive aggressive treatment. "In pancreatitis, the pancreas
essentially digests itself," he says.
"Pancreatitis can cause extreme pain in the abdomen and back, or even
in the lower part of the chest. Pancreatitis is frequently associated
with nausea and vomiting. When complications occur, it can be
associated with infections, bleeding, or abnormal fluid collections."
In these cases, Dr. Johlin says, patients can develop volume collapse
from pouring so many bodily fluids into the tissues injured by the
pancreatitis. This is when patients can become deathly ill.
Unfortunately, even the most knowledgeable physicians cannot always
prevent an attack of pancreatitis, but they can treat its
complications. "For instance, if the patient develops enough swelling
producing an obstruction of the pancreas or the
bile duct, we can effectively drain the system," Dr. Johlin says. "If
the pancreas becomes infected, we're very successful at detecting
that, treating it with antibiotics, and surgically debriding diseased
tissue from that area of the body."
Patients who fare best are those in whom the symptoms are immediately
recognized and, as a consequence, receive appropriate health care.
"The most effective treatment results from aggressive therapy
delivered by a specialist who understands the complexities of the
disease," Dr. Johlin says.
The causes of pancreatitis range from drug-induced damage to
gallstone
disease and alcoholism. In addition, the disease runs in certain
families, such as the Kartels.
"Familial pancreatitis is of special interest because we have ongoing
research trials," Dr. Johlin says. "We're very much committed to
identifying the gene that causes this disease in families."
Familial pancreatitis attacks children and young adults-many times
beginning a few months after birth. Last year as a 2-year-old, Jesse
Kartel was hospitalized once every six weeks with the disease. Dr.
Johlin drained Jesse's pancreas and started
him on home-administered injections of the drug, Sandostatin.
"When an attack occurs, we give him six injections, one every 12
hours," Kartel says. "It's really helped him a lot. Now we're only
getting attacks every three or four months, and they usually don't
last more than a couple of days.."
Mary Anne Berg, MD, a specialist in Clinical Genetics and genetics
research, and Dr. Johlin are initiating a research project at
University Hospitals and the UI College of Medicine to discern the
gene or genes responsible for familial pancreatitis. Identifying
these
genes may lead to a better understanding of the
cause of familial pancreatitis and guide further research toward
improving the treatment of this condition.
Anyone with questions about pancreatitis or the UIHC pancreatitis
study may call Dr. Johlin at (319) 356-4030 or Dr. Berg at (319)
353-7867.

Re: [pancreatitis] to Mona

2007-04-24 17:52:14

Mona,
Is your right sided pain upper or lower, front or side. I have not posted
much but I am going through many tests to find out what is wrong with my
pancreas. During an abdominal ultrasound they found out that I have 1cm
bilateral kidney stones non-obstructive but give me on an off dull pains on
lower right side and front. I have not had any pains on the left. never had
attacks of kidney stones and originally the doc thought the pain was
digestive.
Just fyi. good luck
tom

Has anyone heard from Rich??

2007-04-24 05:10:34

Last time I saw him post, he said he was having a really rough time
and wondering if anyone was still up since he is on Hawaii time. I
haven't seen any posts from him since.
Mona

Went for my first visit to the GI doc today...

2007-04-23 23:10:01

Learned nothing new. He thinks I have GERD, which my PCP had already
decided and has been treating me with Aciphex. The Aciphex does help
the nausea and chest pain. I asked the GI doc about the chills I
experience after eating. He just kind of smiled and said MMMMMM. He
thinks the pain I am feeling on my right side is not related to my
pancreas since I don't feel it all the time. I do feel better but
something still doesn't seem right since I have tried for about my
whole life to lose weight and now I have dropped 25 pounds in 3 months
without even trying. I think I learned more from my PCP than the GI
guy. I'm going in for a gastroscopy at the end of February to look at
my esophagus because of my chest pain. This makes me feel a little
better because I had a friend who died from esophogeal cancer at the
age of 31. They had diagnosed it as GERD first and it took about 4
months to find out she had cancer. She died 6 months later. All my
other scans have been normal.
On another note, I have a breast biopsy scheduled for Friday. I'm
getting a little nervous about the whole thing. Not necessarily the
surgery, just waiting around for results again.
Take care,
Mona

Re: back to Carol

2007-04-23 16:48:17

Hi Teresa, all,
This seems to be another common problem on this disease. Karyn has
had lots of dental problems as well. One of her doctors once told
her
it's a combination of 2 things. The first is when you get nauseous
so
much, all that extra stomach acid/digestive juices that wind up in
your mouth will eventually attack your enamel and hasten tooth decay.
In addition, one of the side effects of so much of the medicine folks
have to take for pain, sleep, depression, etc, is extreme dry mouth.
Saliva actually helps protect the teeth and gums from infection, and
keeps them healthy. Without it, or when it is so severely reduced,
other dental problems can occur.
Karyn has found a couple of products that seem to help the "dry
mouth"
syndrome some. There are a few "artifical saliva" products out
there.
The most effective (and thus the most expensive) is something called
"Salivart", which comes in a little spray bottle, like breath
freshener. You can buy it over-the-counter at most pharmacies.
Also,
a company called Bioti'ene makes a whole line of products for
dry-mouth sufferers, including tooth paste, mouth wash, and chewing
gum. They also make a "gel" that you put on your teeth/gums
periodically to help keep them moist.
Cheers,
--Tull

Re: [pancreatitis] back to Carol

2007-04-23 13:22:25

Hi Carol, Thanks for your kind words! I'm doing OK pancreas wise anyway,
now I'm having problems with my teeth. Every since my ex-dentist took out my
old fillings and replaced them I've had nothing but problems with infections.
So far I've had to get 3 of them extracted, but the infection just seems to
move to the next tooth. On top of that I'm having trouble getting pain
medication for my teeth because the dentists seem to think that the pain meds
I take for my CP should be enough to take care of the tooth pain, (not!) I
bet you didn't think you'd be getting all this info when you asked how I was
doing, but thanks for asking! Hang in there everyone, Teresa

Re: [pancreatitis] Digest Number 670 Lisa hello...: )

2007-04-23 04:22:00

Hey there....I read your post and by no means is it boring...It like all here
are full of vital information, no matter how trivial you think it is..it
could help someone. My name is Peg, I am new here, my son Brandan who is14,
has chronic pancreatitis and like you his major duct is blocked, or something
they are not sure???? So his like yours uses the small duct, which we know
causes problems...still waiting on number 5 ERCP ( which we too are trying to
hold off because of side effects from that) to find out if there is something
that can be done to help. We are at the moment trying different routes with
vitamin cocktails like I have heard others talk about and a drink called
PEPTAMEN (which is suppose to help in the function of the pancreas not only
give the vitamins and minerals), in place of the slimfast I have been giving
him. He had been on TPN for pretty much all of last year he came off of it
in Nov of 2000, and I have been trying my best to keep him hydrated and give
him the proper vitamins and minerals that I think are so important. I feel
for your situation, so deeply and just want you to know again we are all here
for you and no matter what the question or what the subject people here are
genuinely concerned and in most cases know just what your talking about.
Even though I would never wish this or any illness on anyone its a great
thing to know one is not alone....: )...Hello to all my new friends in this
group and I hope this finds all having a good day....Keeping you and yours in
my thoughts and prayers always.... Keep smiling...TTFN..Peg...: )

I have not posted in so very long Karyn I hope you hav...

2007-04-23 00:14:03

Hi Lisa,
Just read you post and it breaks my heart for you. I feel the same as Linda
and wish I could help you in some way. Do you mind if I ask you where you
live? I'm so sorry you are in such pain....you are in my thoughts and
prayers. I will pray that God will give you the faith and strength needed
to cope with all the problems you have with your Pancreas....God bless you,
Lisa. If I can do anything, please let me know. We are all here for each
other and we do feel your pain.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Henry? Are you ok?

2007-04-22 14:33:15

In a message dated 1/23/01 8:11:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:

Are you doing ok? I haven't seen you post for a few days, and I am
getting worried about you.

Hi Henry,
Me too, Henry. Where are you? Hope you are okay. It's so unusual not to
see you post.....worried about you!
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Henry? Are you ok?

2007-04-22 12:13:13

Henry,
Are you doing ok? I haven't seen you post for a few days, and I am
getting worried about you. Please, let me know how you are.
Everyone else, I hope you are having as good a week as possible.
Take care.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

Re: I'm back home

2007-04-22 05:40:33

Hi Michael,
I'm so glad you are home and the doc was able to change your pain
meds to something that helps you. I really hope you continue to feel
better. I know all about the spouse thing. Honestly, I have never
heard of oramorph.........is it in the morphine family? Please
forgive me if I ask dumb questions.
Please, take it easy today, and continue to feel better. And, stick
to that diet!! Good Luck, my friend.
Lots of Hugs, Linda
P.S. As always, you are in my thoughts & prayers.

The doctor changed my pain meds to Oramorph 60mg and Morphine Solubl
10mg for breakthrough pain. these seem to be doing the job, I feel
allot better with them. I am still on a clear liquid diet and
probably will be for a few weeks.

Re: I have not posted in so very long Karyn I hope you haven't forgotten me.

2007-04-22 01:11:49

Dear Lisa,
I am so sorry you are having such a tough time these days. I wish I
could come and help you out. I would love to drive you all the
places you needed to go. I don't know if I should be saying this,
because I know this is not what you intended your post to do, but I
am sitting here with tears in my eyes. I really feel for you. I
know it has to be so rough explaining everything you do to your
grandmother. I agree with you 100% about if pancreatitis doesn't
kill us, something they do to us regarding it will. I have been
saying this for years. Please, take care of you. And remember you
are in my thoughts & prayers.
Lots of Hugs, Linda
--- In pancreatitis@egroups.com, "lisa smith-atwell" <LRSmith96@a...

I have not posted in so very long Karyn I hope you haven't forgotten me.

2007-04-21 16:35:16

It has been a very long time sinceI last posted months and months. I
just slowly started going down hill, I have a 79 year old grandmother
who is my driver, since I can no longer drive ( I signed a contract
with my pain management Dr., and also my family Dr. feels it is best
due to my pain attacks that it would be best for me not to drive) I
am 34 years old and have been driven around now for a year, I really
miss my independence, although I love my grandmother dearly and don't
know what I would have done without her, it is really difficult to
have someone question every purchase I make when she takes me to get
the necessary supplies that we must have. If it is grocery shopping
she will say "well what are you gonna cook with that" or if it is
personal hygiene products she will ask why I use that brand verus
another brand, when I can muster up enough energy to go do these
things then I must under go the third degree about everything. I
think I might try having her drop me off there and then call her to
come and get me ( but times I really need her help getting to objects
down low, I can no longer bend over, due to the pressure on my
pancreas, that causes screaming agony. For those that don't know me I
have two congential defects of the pancreas, I have an annular
pancreas( during fetal developement some where between the 8th and
10th day my pancreas and small bowel did not separate as they are
suppose to, thus my pancreas is wrapped completely around my entire
small bowel, and then I have the more frequent problem of pancreas
divisum ( in a small nut shell my pancreas does not drain from the
appropriate duct the small one instead of the big one that is suppose
to handle that job, thus making the enzymes fight to get through if
they get through at all, basically causing my pancreas to digest it's
self) I have been ill since 1996 and finally had to give up my job
nursing. I was a nurse in a small rural hospital about 250 beds I
worked as an occupational health nurse which fell under the emergency
room as my dept. I really loved what I did and I really had compasion
and empathy for my patients even before I became so ill,I was as
those in the business say a real patient advocate, I miss so much my
contact with the outside world, but I am now to ill to do much and
since late summer early fall I really started to decline that is why
I have not been participating in the board, it just takes everything
I have some days to make it through the day. There are days that I
sleep 16 hours ( some might say it is the medication I take, heck I
miss doses of my meds which in turn causes my pain level to get out
of control. Recently I was hospitalized right before Christmas from
my nausea and diarrhea, my electrolytes were criticaly low, my lab
work shows that I am basically starving to death either from my
inability to eat or that I am no longer processing what I eat anyway.
I now force myself to eat, sometimes gagging the whole way but if not
then there will be no choice TPN and lipids for me, and no way do I
want that it always seems those who end up with that always get some
kind of severe infection that almost kills them. I have come to the
conclusion that if the pancreatits doesn't get us, it will be because
of something that has something to do with the dreaded disease. If I
have to go out and do something like grocery shop, it usually takes
me about 3 days to recover from it my stamina is gone. Well I am up
at 3 am in the morning due to the pain I just can't get comfortable
enough to sleep. Well now that I have boared you all to tears I will
stop writting, I pray for all of you, and wish peace, love and some
relief (I know I have been told we can never make you pain go away we
can maybe make it bearable) Lisa

Re: [pancreatitis] back to tori

2007-04-21 12:05:06

In a message dated 1/21/01 2:27:42 AM Central Standard Time, THEHEB35@...
writes:

REGARDING THE
INTRATHECAL PUMP, OR ANY INFO THAT ANYONE MIGHT HAVE ABOUT SIBLINGS AND
PANCREATITIS. HOPE EVERYONE OUT THERE IS GETTING ALONG OKAY, AND ALL OF YOU
ARE ALWAYS IN MY DAILY PRAYERS. TAKE CARE, AND GOD SPEED.........LOVE, TORI

eGroups Sponsor
TORI! so glad to hear from you again and that it is a positive message. I
hate to think of anyone in pain and I know that we each have varying amounts
and times. You probably feel like a new person! I am so happy that you were
able to have this done. Every little battle uphill for any one of us raises
my spirit a little higher. I needed to hear something positive this evening
- - so thank you. Will be thinking about you. Please keep us up to date on
what is going on and I will be praying for your brother, also. Your friend,
Debbie (ark)

Re: [pancreatitis] Fwd: Fw: Please look at picture, then forward on]

2007-04-21 01:38:39

hey carole - i didn't get a photo. the managing editor of our local
newspaper send one of these my way occasionally so they can make the rounds
in our neighborhood. did i do something wrong? deb (ark)

Re: [pancreatitis] Linda

2007-04-20 21:50:04

Just wanted to let you know you are in my thoughts and prayers - as well as
all the other members.
Hope your pain has eased and you are having a better day.
Karen
In a message dated 1/21/01 10:46:00 PM Central Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:

Dear Anna,
Thanks for the support. I also can have a doctor who is on call
paged. I'm never quite convinced if this is bad enough to call or
not. My doctor is in a big group, and they have just one guy who
does the hospital admissions through the week, and some weekends.
Mine is on call once every 2 months. So, when I'm admitted I never
see my doctor just this "hospitalist" Tonight I wasn't so lucky, mine
isn't on call. I'm going to give him a call first thing in the
morning. I'm still in alot, and I mean alot of pain. Sometimes I
don't know how I'm going to make it through the night. Thanks for
the prayers, and you are in mine too.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

I'm back home

2007-04-20 19:02:39

Linda,

I'm back from the doctor, I did not have to go to the hospital. The doctor changed my pain meds to Oramorph 60mg and Morphine Solubl 10mg for breakthrough pain. these seem to be doing the job, I feel allot better with them. I am still on a clear liquid diet and probably will be for a few weeks.

I hope you are feeling better, even though we have never met I feel like we have a bond or something because of the disease we share. Until I came on the loop I thought that I was the only one with the problems I have. My wife tries to understand but it is hard for her, she wants to make me all better and she can't. This disease is hard on are mates as well. I am so thankful for the loop and how it helps us all live with this awful disease.

"Walking in the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ my Lord."
Michael Karns

Re: [pancreatitis] Something nice for Linda

2007-04-20 09:31:02

In a message dated 1/22/01 3:53:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
feuerlotte@... writes:

As I found out there has been some trouble during World War II
concerning Krupp and his factory. He was making deals with the Nazis
in supplying them and made quite a big gain out of that which of
course is bad but it is so long ago that - like me - hardly anybody
here in Germany knows of it.

Not associated with Pancreatitis, but there was also a couple of guys here in
the USA that did the same thing for the Allied side, one was Charles Schaub
(not the stockbroker but the guy who ran Bethlehem Steel), and Walter
Chrysler who made an automobile or two. Funny how Beth Steel is almost
bankrupt and Chrysler is now part of the German company Dalmier.

back to linda - weight

2007-04-20 07:40:46

In a message dated 1/22/01 5:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, smraef@...
writes:

I don't know why we can't be
given better information by the medical community when there has been so
many
advances in this area.

Hi Sandy,
I agree 100%! I get really stressed when I have to see my doctor because I
know he won't have the answers to all of my questions and being a specialist
in Gastroenterology, I would think he would be more knowledgeable about the
Pancreas.
Sandy, how are you feeling....hope you are having better days. I'll keep you
in my prayers.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: Something nice for Linda

2007-04-19 19:52:29

Thank you so much Ilka!! This really helps. You made me laugh at
the part about my passport. A millionaire, huh? Thats funny in
itself. I have been trying to do a family tree, but I always seem to
get stuck, and I don't know where to turn. Now with the internet, it
should be easier. Thanks!! It was the part about world war II that
I had heard all the bad stuff about, history teachers!! I really
would love to come to Germany some day, I always have, but with the
name Krupp, didn't know if it was a good idea or not. Maybe someday,
but right now I just couldn't afford it. And when I do, maybe we can
get together and you could give me a tour!!
I am feeling about the same tonight. I was in bed most of the day
again.
Thanks again, This is such cool information, by the way, I'm
printing it out so I can save it.
Lots of Hugs, Linda
P.S. Sorry everyone for getting off the path here, I hope you don't
mind :~)
--- In pancreatitis@egroups.com, "Ilka Rödder" <feuerlotte@g...

to Christine

2007-04-19 17:08:27

--
Sorry for this late reply. I was away this weekend and now trying to
catch up on all the posts. I talked to Dr. Sherman a few days after
my EUS because I didn't know what to do. He wanted me to try TPN or
g-j tube. We have also discussed the sandostatin. I talked to my Dr.
then and decided at the time that I didn't want to do it. Not
desperate enough yet, I guess,or not wanting to put my body through
anything more. I had too many things going with my kids and was
afraid of feeling worse. I started feeling better for the most
part. I was on lotronex since Aug., which got taken off the market.
I really believe that it was helping me. In Nov. I stopped it and
things started flaring up again.
I finally got to feeling so bad again and talked to my Dr. about
something to relax the old GI tract. He put me on Bentyl. And so
far, it seems to be helping. When I had my ERCP's they did manometry
and found that I have sphincter of oddi dysfunction. So it is
looking like that is what has caused my chronic panc.
I am in Illinois, a 3 hr. drive to IU. My Dr. from here moved to be
a professor at IU, which is a little frustrating for me because I
don't have any Dr except my primary and he doesn't seem to be much
help when it comes to the pancreas. I really like my Dr. and need to
remember that he is only a phone call away. He has helped me when I
have felt like "now what". He would rather try meds at this time
with me, instead of doing another ERCP. I am thankful for that.
So in answer to your question, I haven't done anything except the EUS
since seeing Dr. SHerman. I know that doesn't help you much. Since
these meds have helped me, I am thinking that my problems are related
to spasms.
What does Dr. Sherman say about your corkscrew duct?
For now I will still have my Dr. at IU treat me. I don't know what
to tell you about switching. The distance is a mind thing with me,
not having anyone as a backup close by. Perhaps I need to have a
backup and certainly there are capable ones, I just like mine.
To answer your other questions, yes, I have 3 young children and I
get to be a stay at home mom. I love it. They are precious! I am
sorry I've written a book. Maybe that's why I don't post too often.
Just like talking, get me started and I can't stop.
I hope you get things figured out soon. I can hear the frustration.
I will pray for you. Let me know how it goes. Love, dawn.

To Linda - Pseudocyst

2007-04-19 17:01:30

In a message dated 1/21/01 11:32:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:
<< Hi-The antidepressent he put me on was effexor. I had never heard of
it. I didn't like the feeling I had when I took it. And about the
paxil..........thats so funny - not ha ha - but funny you should
mention it because a friend of mine who suffers from migrains started
taking it and she also told me that it works wonders for her & to ask
my doc for it. I go this week, and I'll be sure to ask. Thanks for
the advise!!
No problem Linda I just hope it works let me know ok I love the stuff I have
had to had increased but it works wonders for me.. I am glad that there is
more then one that has told you good luck my friend let me know...
Wishing you all a
pain free day Anna from Michigan

To Carole about the gi

2007-04-19 01:41:15

In a message dated 1/22/01 2:53:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CJWatts88@... writes:
<< Sounds like your GI doctor really cares about you and wants you to have
the
best of care. Too many GI doctors are too quick to do procedures that
sometimes create more problems and may or may not be necessary. I believe
I'd rather have a cautious GI doctor than one who is too quick to want to do
invasive tests/procedures without giving it enough thought of the possible
consequences to the patient. Knowing what I know now, I'm glad my GI doctor
hasn't done anymore than he has to my Pancreas. I do wish there was a
Pancreas Specialist in my area.....
Hugs & Prayers
Carole
Ditto that totally Carole...
Wishing you all a
pain free day Anna from Michigan

Re: [pancreatitis] Digest Number 667

2007-04-18 19:48:16

Last April, during an especially bad Pancreatic attack, I called an
ambulance and
went to the hospital. I told them what was wrong, but the ER doctor told me
I
had stomach flu, nothing
was wrong with my Pancreas. I asked him why he thought that, he said he could
tell from my blood work. I couldn't believe my ears. He called my own
doctor to
see if I should be admitted overnight, my doctor asked him what my lipase
was,
he said "uhhhh, over 500". My doctor told me about their conversation the
next
day. So much for going to the ER in the future. I'd like to hear what some
of you
do for the pain?? Just wait it out, like I do? Once it's gone, it's gone
for weeks.

Re: [pancreatitis] To Carole - vitamins

2007-04-18 17:21:12

In a message dated 1/22/01 3:24:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
feuerlotte@... writes:

Maybe you could get the
vitamins as an injection if your pancreas canīt digest pills?

Hi Ilka,
I don't know if they have injections but I will ask my doctor about that when
I see him in March. I know what you mean about infections. Right now, the
flu is going around and I'm trying to stay away from crowds hoping and
praying I won't get it since my resistance to infections is very low.
Thanks, Ilka and hope you are having a pain-free day!
By the way, have you ever heard of IM (Instant Messenger)? I'm going to send
it to you. If you can download it onto your computer, you will be able to
chat with us whenever you like. When you receive it, let me know.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

back to linda - weight

2007-04-18 17:04:54

In a message dated 01/21/2001 10:00:00 PM Central Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:
<< Oh Carole,
I agree with you 100000000000% on this one! Expecially
after the day I have had!! These things you mentioned would make all
of our lives alot easier to handle! Thanks!
Lots of Hugs, Linda
LInda and Carol,
I think it is the uncertainity of not knowing what is happening or how we can
get well that just drives us over the edge. I don't know why we can't be
given better information by the medical community when there has been so many
advances in this area. This has always been what has caused me the most
frustration.
Sandy

Re: [pancreatitis] To Teresa: ERCP

2007-04-18 05:16:12

In a message dated 01/21/2001 12:58:13 PM Central Standard Time,
feuerlotte@... writes:
<< I hope that helps you a little. If thereīs anything inunderstandable
please excuse me but itīs hard for me to talk about these technical
terms in English ;-)
Love, ILKA
Ilka, you did wonderful at explaining this in English!
Sandy

Henry to Linda

2007-04-17 21:17:01

In a message dated 01/21/2001 11:55:21 AM Central Standard Time,
howmtp@... writes:
<< Dear Linda,
Sorry that you are having pain problems again. It sounds like you husband
is really caring and coming around for you. I'm having problems with bad
pain too this weekend, but am holding out. I agree with you about the
central line. My veins are shot also, and my central line is a lifesaver in
the hospital, as well as my J-tube in my belly. I hope they help you at the
E.R. It is good to be on friendly terms with the docs down there!
Your Pancreatitis Pal,
Henry
Henry and Linda,
I hope that this finds both of you feeling better or having less pain
today????? Please keep us posted on how you are doing.
Sandy

Re: [pancreatitis] To Peg

2007-04-17 20:16:39

In a message dated 01/21/2001 12:56:53 PM Central Standard Time,
feuerlotte@... writes:
<< I read the first letter you posted and I want to tell you
that I can really feel with you concerning the problems you have with
your sonīs disease. My family is dealing with the same problem. Iīm
only 23 and I had CP diagnozed in 1998. Had my first attack in 1995
when I was 17. It is always hard for the person that has the disease
but it seems to me that it is as hard, sometimes even harder for
people that are close to the person that has it. My parents,
especially my mum has suffered tremenously from my disease. It really
broke her heart to see me, her daughter, in and out of hospital,
ERCPīs, surgeries, attacks,...And the worst part for her seems to be
that she can do nothing to help me but be there (what helps sometimes
more than the best pain-killers!)and support me. Itīs great to have
parents like that! It always helped me to try to smile again and see
how much she enjoyed that.
I feel so sorry for Brandon. I just broke up my college-studies
because I just couldnīt go on due to my disease.
Please tell him that if he should ever want to write to me, heīs
always welcome to as well as you!!
Lots of love, Ilka from Germany
Ilka, thank you for sharing! I am so sorry that you are having to suffer
from this disease at such a young age, however the support you are able to
share with Peg I'm sure will be a comfort. It is so hard for the parents to
watch as their children are in pain and you were able to describe it so well
from the receiving end. We do have to remember how bad our caregivers hurt
when they can do nothing to relieve the pain we are in.
I hope this finds you feeling better and having a good day.
Sandy
P.S. Our last child was born in Germany! We were married in Germany 26 yrs
ago. My husband was in the Army and we were stationed there twice. We loved
living there. Where are you from? We were stationed in Erlangen.

Re: [pancreatitis] edema (swelling)

2007-04-17 16:02:46

In a message dated 01/21/2001 10:17:06 AM Central Standard Time,
jang2@... writes:
<< Some of our group may be interested in the answer since it involves
both the Duragesic (Fentanyl) patch and the pancreatitis disease
process.
jan
Thanks Jan, this is very interesting information.
Sandy

Something nice for Linda

2007-04-17 03:24:41

Dear Linda!
First of all I really couldnīt believe what had happened to you at
the ER. Thatīs horrible! I mean you are in pain telling the doctor
that you even know whatīs wrong with you-and he still doesnīt believe
you! That really drives me crazy.
I hope the pain is a little better by now. Iīm praying for you!
Hereīs some news from Germany about your family name:
Yes, itīs true that there were some things happening in the past that
nobody can be proud of concerning Alfrid Krupp.
But I think Iīll first tell you what "Krupp" means today in Germany -
since I had to ask first to find out about the past myself. Everybody
in Germany knows what "Krupp" is: probably the biggest steel factory
in Germany. They have factories all over this country. Thereīs one in
my home town. A hospital close to my place is named Krupp. Thereīs
certainly no bad assoziacion to the name today! We even have got a
saying here: "He/She/It is as hard as Krupp-Steel!!" what stands for
high quality! Sounds good, doesnīt it?!
As I found out there has been some trouble during World War II
concerning Krupp and his factory. He was making deals with the Nazis
in supplying them and made quite a big gain out of that which of
course is bad but it is so long ago that - like me - hardly anybody
here in Germany knows of it.
So donīt let anybody tell you thereīs something bad about your name.
Come to Germany, show your passport with your name and tell them you
are a millionar- theyīll believe you here!! ;-)
Again I hope you get better and will have a good pain-free day!
Iīll be thinking of you!!
Love, Ilka

Re: [pancreatitis] Hi Sandy

2007-04-17 00:19:34

In a message dated 01/21/2001 7:45:35 AM Central Standard Time,
kwmoore@... writes:
<< I lived in
Denton/Ft. Worth for 13 years (moved there right after college). We
moved to Michigan (Deteroit area) about 2 years ago. I'm not missing
the summer weather at all. Both of my girls were August babies, born
in Ft. Worth. We moved when the second was 4 weeks old. It was such
a relief to move to MI that year and have fall righ when we got here.
Mona, doesn't it seem like such a small world sometimes. I have 2 August
babies and 1 September baby. My 2 August babies were born in El Paso so I
know how hard it was to deal with the heat and be pregnant. I used to say I
would never move back to TX, but there was that word never and of course here
I am in TX. I love the northern states much more. KY was absolutely
gorgeous and the weather was perfect for us. Maybe one day we will move
north again.
Hope this finds you doing well. It sounds like you have small children?
Mine are 20, 18, and 15.
Sandy

To Linda - Pseudocyst

2007-04-16 18:05:00

In a message dated 01/21/2001 1:52:54 AM Central Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:
<< I have read many,
post and everyone on this board is wonderful! I feel so lucky, and
my mental status has been uplifted since I have become active here
once again because of everyone. Thanks to you all!
Lots of Hugs, Linda
My mental status like yours Linda is much improved as a result of being a
part of this network. I get my strength and courage to go on from all of you
as well.
Sandy

To Carole - vitamins

2007-04-16 08:20:28

Dear Carole!
What I am taking is a combination of 4 sorts of vitamin-pills:
Vitamin C (1000mg/day), Vitamin E (400mg/day), Q10 (90mg/day) and
Selen (hope you have that word in English)(0.05mg/day).
I get these to protect me from all kinds of diseases like a cold or a
fever because everything of that kind can hurt the pancreas
tremenously when I get the infection. I get along with them quite
well. Havenīt had a cold this whole year. Maybe you could get the
vitamins as an injection if your pancreas canīt digest pills?
Wish you a good day - my day is already over since we in Europe are 6
hours ahead of you right now ;-)
Love, Ilka

Re: Good morning Linda L and all on the loop.

2007-04-16 02:59:27

Dear Michael,
Good Luck at the doctors today. I hate to hear that you are still in
so much pain! This has been going on for too long. I hope your
doctor can help ease your pain. If you need to be hospitalized, why
wait? I do the same thing, but then when I'm feeling so much better
after a few days "in" I always wonder why I waited so long. Please,
let me know when you get back what he said. Thanks. You are in my
thoughts.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

Re: To Anna - I'm proud of you!

2007-04-15 19:17:47

I'm sure there are
Carole,
Nor do we have good pancreas doctors where I live. For this reason my
GI doctor here will not do any thing except keep me while I am
hospitalized. No scopes, no x-rays, not even any blood test. His
answer to EVERYTHING is "Go back & see Dr. Lehman, he is one of the
best in the world, and if you can have the best treat you, then that
is what you should do." Yeah, yeah, yeah.......blaa, blaa,
blaa.......I'm not saying this about Dr. Lehman, it is my own doc
here who I get so frustrated with.
Lots of hugs, Linda

Re: Quickie Question

2007-04-15 18:35:48

Hi Carole,
How is your Monday going? Thanks for the advise. I'm still in alot
of pain today, I have a call in for my doctor but haven't heard from
him.
My post about going to the ER is titled "I'm So Mad!" Its a long
one, sorry.
Lots of hugs, Linda

Good morning Linda L and all on the loop.

2007-04-15 13:47:16

I am doing ok I guess. I have been worse, and I have been allot better. I am going to the doc at 2 pm to day, and I think he will give me more pain meds and tell me to stay off food for another week. Then if things don't get better he will probably put me in the hospital.

Linda I hope you are able to see your doc real soon, you are in my thoughts and prayers.

"Walking in the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ my Lord."
Michael Karns

Re: [pancreatitis] To Anna - I'm proud of you!

2007-04-15 05:40:34

In a message dated 1/22/01 1:02:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:

. I have lost so much faith in doctors lately.

Hi Linda,
Join the club....I lost faith in them many years ago. It's a big dose of
reality when you find out the very people you trust with your life don't know
enough about the Pancreas to give us the medical help we need. I have
learned to question everything they want to do to me. I'm sure there are
some very good doctors around who specialize in Pancreatitis, but we don't
seem to have them where I live.....just my opinion!
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Quickie Question

2007-04-14 23:07:56

In a message dated 1/21/01 11:55:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
liamhoha20@... writes:

........Does anyone else feel like their
pancreas is swollen when you are having an attack?

Hi Linda,
Yes, and I've always assumed it's because when the Pancreas is acting up, the
inflammation gets worse and since inflammation is swelling, it made sense to
me. Of course, even when I'm not having the severe pain with attacks, my
stomach, especially on the left side and right side, feels swollen. My
doctor says if you're having Pancreatitis, you wouldn't be able to tolerate
him pressing on your stomach (part of their diagnosis of Pancreatitis) but
again, that's not always true especially if you haven't had anything to eat
and the Pancreas has settled down. I don't think they can actually feel the
Pancreas by pressing as they can the Liver and Spleen because of our stomach.
At least, that's my opinion and I'm anxious to hear replies from others on
this.
I haven't seen your post about your hospital visit. I'm so sorry you are
having so much pain. I'll keep you in my prayers, Linda, and hope your pain
eases soon!
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] To all

2007-04-14 18:36:10

In a message dated 1/21/01 10:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mrsteep1@... writes:

I have missed you all and it is kinda hard to sit for to long so I am
behind on my post but when I am able to get caught up I will but I wanted
to
thank you all for the support and love that you sent me it helped me out so
much

Hi Anna,
No "Thanks" necessary here...I'm just sorry the gallbladder removal didn't
get rid of your Pancreatitis pain. I'm sure it's a big disappointment but
hope it gives you some comfort to know we will always be here for you. I
wish I could do more for you and make your pain less. Take care of yourself,
Anna, and I will keep you in my daily thoughts and prayers. I missed you and
glad you are back.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

To Ilka and to new members....

2007-04-14 13:24:49

Thank you for saying hello, I would have to agree with you about
being a mom of a child inflicted with this illness. Like any illness
it is hard to watch ones child suffer, equally knowing there isnt
anything that one can do. I feel for you and your situation, at any
age this is not an illness that is easy to adjust to, but as a mom
like your mom, I know that I will do whatever it takes to find
information and treatment on this disease to give my son a chance to
live as normal life as possible. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, and that we do
have control over. Thank you again and feel free at anytime to
contact me.
I want to also take this time to welcome all the new members, I am
also a new member here, and everyone has made me feel very welcome.
Like I have said there isnt much for support where I live reguarding
this illness and I am so very thankful to have found you all.
Much thanks always Keeping you all in my thoughts and prayers..Keep
smiling..TTFN...Peg...: )

Re: [pancreatitis] I am so mad!

2007-04-14 11:45:42

I am sorry to here that you had a hard time in the ER, I have had the same problem myself in the past. Other than the first attack of my pancreas I too do not have elevated amylase and lipase when my pancreas flares up. It makes me so mad when a doc looks at me like I am crazy when I tell him what is wrong with me. I belong to Group Health now, and I have a great doc that totally believes that a person can have an inflamed pancreas with normal blood tests. I hope all works out for you on Monday and that you get the pain meds that you need.

"Walking in the Grace and Love of Jesus Christ my Lord."
Michael Karns

Quickie Question

2007-04-14 05:43:36

Hi All.....
Well, its Monday again. I hope this new week brings you all some
relief.
I have a quick question........Does anyone else feel like their
pancreas is swollen when you are having an attack? Mine never really
did until the last year or so. It seems like ever since I had the
last ERCP done at IU it feels like my pancreas is very swollen. My
doctor here in Ohio thinks that the ducts may have some scar tissue
blocking them now. Oh Joy! Just what I need! And, another
question, if it were swollen, wouldn't the doctor be able to feel it
when they insist on pressing on your belly when it is so painful? And
just exactly what are they feeling for? Even though they know it is
so unbearable, they still press. Just wondering.........Thanks for
any advise.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

To Anna - I'm proud of you!

2007-04-13 20:23:39

Anna,
I'm so proud of you!! I know it was hard for you to go through with
the surgury, BUT YOU DID IT! The only thing that makes me sad is to
hear you have the same pain. And I'm so sorry. I wish I could do
something for you. Please, don't rush your recovery. Take it one
day at a time. You are in my thoughts & prayers each & every day.
Please, take care of you.
Lots of Hugs, Linda
P.S. Isn't it something that these doctors order these diets for us,
but yet can't remember what kind of diet we are on? Now, isn't it
one of the questions on the admission papers? I know it is on mine
here. I have lost so much faith in doctors lately. Take it easy
today, you!!!

Re: Hi guys...anyone from Canada

2007-04-13 11:22:39

Hi Linda B.!!
Its so nice to see you post again! How are things going with you?
I'm so sorry to hear about Jim. I know it is hard on everyone in the
family. I hope things inprove. Please, take it one day at a time.
You both are in my thoughts & prayers.
Lots of Hugs, Linda (from Ohio)

TO: Ilka from Germany

2007-04-13 09:14:06

Hi Ilka,
I have not had the pleasure of writing to you. You sound like you
are a very intelligent person. I really don't know what I would do
if I would have had this illness as young as you. At 17 I was really
into playing softball & running with my friends. I'm so sorry you
have to deal with this. I know it has been hard on your mom, but I
bet she handles it well?
Just one more thing...........Germany, huh? I have a German name,
and have always be interested in anything to do with Germany. I have
heard some bad things about my name, and also some good. Please set
me straight........It is Krupp.........actually it is my maiden
name. Everyone I played softball with still call me Krupp, never,
ever Linda. Funny, huh? I have always loved it and I wish I would
have kept it when I got married, and given it to my girls. Most of
the bad stuff I heard was when I was in High School and the history
teachers use to give me a hard time. Like it was my fault? lol
Thanks alot. And I hope your weekend was bearable.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

Re: Henry to Linda

2007-04-12 23:27:03

Hi Henry,
I'm so sorry you are having a lot of pain. I hope you will have a
good nights sleep & will be feeling better tomorrow. You are in my
thoughts.
Yeah, I guess I opened my mouth too soon about the ER docs I'm
buddies with. Today I saw a new one I've never seen. Just my luck,
next time, remind me to keep my thoughts to myself until I'm back!
Please, feel better.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

Re: I am so mad!

2007-04-12 20:50:48

Linda,
I don't blame you a bit for being upset you have every right to be
doctors are so stupid sometimes awhile back we talked about that look
they give you..I don't know if you family doctor is the same as mine
but I can have him paged whenever I need him weather he is on call or
not and I think most are like that I could be wrong and just be very
lucky... I hope things get better dear you are in my thoughts and
prayers...
your pancreatis pal Anna

[pancreatitis] To all

2007-04-12 16:17:27

Hi All,
I have missed you all and it is kinda hard to sit for to long so I am
behind on my post but when I am able to get caught up I will but I wanted to
thank you all for the support and love that you sent me it helped me out so
much when I was scared.. when it came I thought of the things Henry and all
of you said to me and it got me through it plus the xanax helped I didn't
have the panic attacks but I still got scared and all your prayers and caring
and love and support got me threw it,,This group is the best thing that has
happened to me and I am glad I found it I just want to give you all as much
as you have given me.. and hopefully someday I can..
I want to update you as to what happened with the surgery they took the
gallbladder out and it wasn't as bad as he thought, he tried to check out my
main duct and said he couldn't get the needle in there it is very small which
I knew they had tried the stints there and did the spinterodomy on that but I
guess it hasn't helped it is gone back to being small again.. My pain has
been very bad, I had a mini attack from the surgery, and I am still having
pancreatis pain but it is better then before the surgery but surely not gone
as the surgeon had hoped and I hoped, my belly button is very sore and due to
the attack I haven't ate much, The doctor was a bit sure of himself and sent
me full ligiuds for lunch and supper while I was in the hospital and because
I watch my fat intake so close I noticed it wasn't low fat full liguids and
didn't even try it plus the pain was to bad.. I am hoping that maybe this
other pain will go to maybe I don't know it is so hard to have that hope when
nothing seems to help, but I am trying to think positive and say it will get
better the only pain that has gotten better by each day is the surgery pain
the pancreatis pain hasn't changed..I am sorry this is so long and I rambled
on can you tell I missed you all???lol I hope all are doing well and when you
get mail from me on things that happened last week bare with me please I am a
bit behind...
love you all
Wishing you all a
pain free day Anna from Michigan

I am so mad!

2007-04-12 10:49:04

Hi All - I really hope everyone had a good day today.......
Time for me to let off some steam, I hope you don't mind.......
As you know my husband finally talked me into going to the ER, so I
gave in and went. It was a doctor I didn't know, and didn't know
me. I told him I had chronic pancreatitis, and it was my pancreas
that was flaired up. He just looked at me like I was stupid shaking
his head. He told me he was going to check my blood and do some
belly x-rays. I told him my amylace & lipace will not be elevated.
He just had that stupid-doctor-smirk on his face, like I didn't know
what I was talking about. Oh, and he also insisted on checking my
urine. I was getting mad because of all the test that weren't
needed. After about an hour the nurse finally came in and said she
had 2 shots for me, phenergan & bentyl. BENTYL? I told her it
wouldn't help and she said, just try it and see. Of course it
didn't. After another hour the same nurse came back in and told me
she was going to call my husband to come get me. I ask if that
doctor was coming back in, she said she didn't think so, but she
would tell him I wanted him, then handed me my discharge papers. His
DX? Gastroenderitis!! I was steaming by now. He walked in a
said, "all your test are normal, did you have a question?" I told him
the pain had gotten worse since I'd been there. He said "I already
gave you 2 shots, phenergan & bentyl for the belly cramps". I looked
at him and told him I am not having belly cramps, it was my pancreas.
And ask if he could give me a pain shot for it. His answer? "I
can't give you anything narcotic, if your family doc.............I
will give you a script for.................." I interupted him
telling him to just forget it I would call him myself when I get
home. Who, your family doc? DUH!!! I'm still upset. When Dave got
there I yelled at him, (I know I shouldn't have) for making me go.
That is exactly why I hate the ER. So, here I am still in pain, and
now my attitude is worse again. I am getting ready to see if my
doctor is an call or not, I really don't know what I think he can do
on a Sunday night. Oh well, the things we go through with this awful
illness!!
Thanks for listening again. I do feel somewhat better to have
written this to people who really understand and have been there.
Lots of Hugs, Linda

Mejane

2007-04-11 18:35:19

Hello new reader,
And welcome to our littlce corner of the world. You will find a
bunch of people here who not only deal with pain/nausea/frustration
on a daily basis, but also care about each other in a way that sounds
too good to be true. But, believe me, it't true. I have found more
information and support here than I even dared dream! Welcome! And
don't make yourself scarce. Any question/issue/problem is welcome.
Nothing is taboo. Take care of you, new reader, and don't be shy :-}
Be well,
Christine

To Linda - Pseudocyst

2007-04-11 18:27:00

Linda,,
How are you? I hope things are a bit better.. I hate to butt in but I was
reading about the antidepressants and I don't know what he put you on but I
had a different one at first and then I started paxil and it is wonderful I
don't notice any side affects just that I don't cry at a drop of a hat now..
so if that wasn't it maybe you could try that one it works good for me and I
know others that it has too... take care and hope you are feeling better

Re: [pancreatitis] To Carole from Ilka

2007-04-11 11:56:38

In a message dated 1/21/01 1:38:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
feuerlotte@... writes:

Right now Iīm taking a high-dose vitamin-cocktail

Hi Ilka,
Could you tell me exactly what is a high-dose vitamin cocktail? I just
started drinking slimfast to get my vitamins/minerals because vitamin pills
will cause me pain. I guess my Pancreas has trouble with the digestion of
pills as well as food....who knows? My stomach can be flat and when I eat, my
stomach will swell...guess that goes right along with the inflammation of the
Pancreas! It only hurts when I eat. :)
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Carole

2007-04-11 04:29:29

Carole,
It would certainly be wonderful if doctors actually had all the answers and
could quit the guess work. It does get very frustrating!
Karen
In a message dated 1/21/01 12:06:45 PM Central Standard Time,
CJWatts88@... writes:

Hi Karen,
Wonder what it would be like to go for medical help and the doctor actually
knew what was wrong instead of guessing??? I can't imagine but it certainly
would help us all emotionally! They give us medicine to help relieve
symptoms of one thing and then that medicine causes another problem that we
have to take another medication for.....do you ever feel like you're on a
merry-go-round...going nowhere? Sometimes I wonder if we should try what
they t-h-i-n-k will help or do what our "gut" feeling tells us to do!!!
Karen, I'm so glad you're still with us and hope you are having a wonderful
Sunday.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Re: [pancreatitis] Digest Number 666

2007-04-10 23:25:20

In a message dated 01-01-21 13:59:40 EST, you write:
<< PANCREATITIS
I wasn't able to download the messages, help, please.

To Carole from Ilka

2007-04-10 22:03:37

Hi Carole!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge about the B12-level. Iīm going to
have it checked out next time I see my doctor.
Right now Iīm taking a high-dose vitamin-cocktail thatīs supposed to
keep my health up otherwise and to save the remaining part of my
pancreas from infections but Iīm still cold. Didnīt think it had to
do anything with my disease before I read all the letters concerning
it.
Have a nice pain-free day!
Love, Ilka

To Teresa: ERCP

2007-04-10 10:09:14

Hi Teresa!
Please remember that there are certainly NO such things as "dumb"
questions. We are here on the one hand to support and help each other
but also to share the knowledge we have.
Iīll try my best to explain to you what an ERCP is. At least what it
is in Germany but I think it doesnīt differ from what it is in the
States.
ERCP stands for "Endoscopic-Retrograde-Cholangio-Pancreaticography".
Itīs a methode where the doctor puts you to sleep and then sticks an
endoscope (a long tube about as thick as your smallest finger with a
little camera and a piece of wire in it) down your throat through
your stomach, through the duodenum into the pancreas. In the pancreas
it is used on the one hand to show the present status of the
pancreatic duct with itīs small intersections and that section where
the pancreatic duct and the bile duct come together. On the other
hand the doctor can do little surgeries with the endoscope. If
thereīs any stenosis in the pancreatic duct the doctor can make that
piece of wire in the endoscope glow and cut the stenosis so that the
liquids can get through it again.
Iīve already had 8 ERCPīs. I have hardly ever had any problems
afterwards with it except for a little pain that went away quickly
but I have read messages from lots of people that have had quite bad
attacks after an ERCP. So I guess one canīt generalise that.
I hope that helps you a little. If thereīs anything inunderstandable
please excuse me but itīs hard for me to talk about these technical
terms in English ;-)
Love, ILKA

Carole, Christine..repeat of pancreas 101(basics)

2007-04-10 06:59:12

In a message dated 1/21/01 11:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jang2@... writes:

Here ya go guys..........

Thanks Jang....hope you are having a good day! Somehow I knew you would come
through for us. But then, you always do! :)
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

back to linda - weight

2007-04-09 21:44:06

In a message dated 1/21/01 11:45:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
loggiekw@... writes:

The nephrologist that i went to said it could be caused by lupus
or I just might be one of those people who have problems with swelling when
they age.

Hi Karen,
Wonder what it would be like to go for medical help and the doctor actually
knew what was wrong instead of guessing??? I can't imagine but it certainly
would help us all emotionally! They give us medicine to help relieve
symptoms of one thing and then that medicine causes another problem that we
have to take another medication for.....do you ever feel like you're on a
merry-go-round...going nowhere? Sometimes I wonder if we should try what
they t-h-i-n-k will help or do what our "gut" feeling tells us to do!!!
Karen, I'm so glad you're still with us and hope you are having a wonderful
Sunday.
Hugs & Prayers
Carole

Henry to Linda

2007-04-09 19:45:24

Dear Linda,
Sorry that you are having pain problems again. It sounds like you husband is really caring and coming around for you. I'm having problems with bad pain too this weekend, but am holding out. I agree with you about the central line. My veins are shot also, and my central line is a lifesaver in the hospital, as well as my J-tube in my belly. I hope they help you at the E.R. It is good to be on friendly terms with the docs down there!
Your Pancreatitis Pal,
Henry

Re: [pancreatitis] edema (swelling) Henry to Jan...

2007-04-09 13:35:19

Dear Jan,
This type of swelling can be associated with pancreatitis alone. My old
G.I. doctor confirmed this for me. I have had it and have known a number of
pancreas patients that I know have had this edema problem in conjunction
with their pancreatitis. I am not aware of the narcotics having this effect
even with the I.V. pain meds. Hope this helps you.
Your Pancreatitis Pal,
Henry

Re: Carole, Christine..repeat of pancreas 101(basics)

2007-04-09 09:45:12

--- In pancreatitis@egroups.com, "Sun Flower" <sunflower6668@a...
wrote:
< This is technical in parts, but is very informative about "normal"
pancreatic structure & function.
jang
in your files, could you please forward it to me...sounds very
interesting. Thanks and hope you are having a good day!
Hugs & Prayers
Carole
ditto that, as I didn't get it either!
Thanks
Christine
Here ya go guys..........
Subject: pancreas 101(basics)
Gross and Microscopic Anatomy of the Pancreas
The pancreas is an elongated organ, light tan or pinkish in color,
that lies in close proximity to the duodenum. It is covered with a
very thin connective tissue capsule which extends inward as septa,
partitioning the gland into lobules. The bulk of the pancreas
is composed of pancreatic exocrine cells and their associated ducts.
Embedded within this exocrine tissue are roughly one million small
clusters of cells called the Islets of Langerhans, which are the
endocrine cells of the pancreas and secrete insulin, glucagon
and several other hormones.
Pancreatic exocrine cells are arranged in grape-like clusters called
acini. The exocrine cells themselves are packed with membrane-bound
secretory granules which contain digestive enzymes that are exocytosed
into the lumen of the acinus. From there these secretions flow into
larger and larger, intralobular ducts, which eventually coalesce into
the main pancreatic duct which drains directly into the duodenum.
The lumen of an acinus communicates directly with intralobular ducts,
which coalesce into interlobular ducts and then into the major
pancreatic duct. Epithelial cells of the intralobular ducts actually
project "back" into the lumen of the acinus, where they are called
centroacinar cells. The anatomy of the main pancreatic duct varies
among species. In some animals, two ducts enter the duodenum rather
than a single duct. In some species, the main pancreatic duct fuses
with the common bile duct just before its entry into the duodenum.
Control of Pancreatic Exocrine Secretion
As you might expect, secretion from the exocrine pancreas is
regulated by both neural and endocrine controls. During interdigestive
periods, very little secretion takes place, but as food enters the
stomach and, a little later, chyme flows into the small intestine,
pancreatic secretion is strongly stimulated. Like the stomach, the
pancreas is innervated by the vagus nerve, which applies a low level
stimulus to secretion in response to anticipation of a meal. However,
the most important stimuli for pancreatic secretion comes from three
hormones secreted by the enteric endocrine system:
Cholecystokinin: This hormone is synthesized and secreted by enteric
endocrine cells located in the duodenum. Its secretion is strongly
stimulated by the presence of partially digested proteins and fats in
the small intestine. As chyme floods into the small intestine,
cholecystokinin is released into blood and binds to receptors on
pancreatic acinar cells, ordering them to secrete large quantities of
digestive enzymes.
Secretin: This hormone is also a product of endocrinocytes located in
the epithelium of the proximal small intestine. Secretin is secreted
in response to acid in the duodenum, which of course occurs when
acid-laden chyme from the stomach flows through the pylorus. The
predominant effect of secretin on the pancreas is to stimulate duct
cells to secrete water and bicarbonate. As soon as this occurs, the
enzymes secreted by the acinar cells are flushed out of the pancreas,
through the pancreatic duct into the duodenum.
Gastrin: This hormone, which is very similar to cholecystokinin, is
secreted in large amounts by the stomach in response to gastric
distention and irritation. In addition to stimulating acid
secretion by the parietal cell, gastrin stimulates pancreatic acinar
cells to secrete digestive enzymes.
Stop and think about this for a minute - control of pancreatic
secretion makes perfect sense. Pancreatic secretions contain enzymes
which are needed to digest proteins, starch and triglyceride. When
these substances enter stomach, and especially the small intestine,
they stimulate release of gastrin and cholecystokinin, which in turn
stimulate secretion of the enzymes of destruction.
Pancreatic secretions are also the major mechanism for neutralizing
gastric acid in the small intestine. When acid enters the small gut,
it stimulates secretin to be released, and the effect of this hormone
is to stimulate secretion of lots of bicarbonate. As proteins and fats
are digested and absorbed, and acid is neutralized, the stimuli for
cholecystokinin and secretin secretion disappear and pancreatic
secretion falls off.
Exocrine Secretions of the Pancreas
Pancreatic juice is composed of two secretory products critical to
proper digestion: digestive enzymes and bicarbonate. The enzymes are
synthesized and secreted from the exocrine ascinar cells, whereas
bicarbonate is secreted from the epithelial cells lining small
pancreatic ducts.
Digestive Enzymes
The pancreas secretes a magnificent battery of enzymes that
collectively have the capacity to reduce virtually all digestible
macromolecules into forms that are capable of, or nearly capable
of being absorbed. Three major groups of enzymes are critical to
efficient digestion:
Proteases
Digestion of proteins is initiated by pepsin in the stomach, but the
bulk of protein digestion is due to the pancreatic proteases. Several
proteases are synthesized in the pancreas and secreted into the lumen
of the small intestine. The two major pancreatic proteases are
trypsin and chymotrypsin, which are synthesized and packaged into
secretory vesicles as an the inactive proenzymes trypsinogen and
chymotrypsinogen. As you might anticipate, proteases are rather
dangerous enzymes to have in cells, and packaging of an inactive
precursor is a way for the cells to safely handle these enzymes. The